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(no subject) [Apr. 7th, 2005|01:55 am]
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thedashcat
Thought I'd share this:

The death of a reactionary

(Stolen from the Socialist Worker Online)

THE MEDIA haze of kind words and rosy reminiscences about Pope John Paul II can’t change what the man was in real life--a hard-line right-winger who saw his mission as defending the most backward institutions and traditions of the Catholic Church.

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(no subject) [Apr. 4th, 2005|04:02 pm]
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pravdavitezi
Religion

By Abbie Bakan

Karl Marx has been criticized for having a crude understanding of religion. But actually Marx developed a method of analysis that saw religion as an expression of the contradictory reality of human existence. As social relations changed, in Marx's view, so did religious beliefs and ideas.

Many of the ideas that Marx developed, in collaboration with his life-long comrade Frederick Engels, about religion and society are now widely accepted.

Christopher Hill, the late British historian and an expert on the rise of Puritanism — regarding the links between certain strands of Christianity and the rise of the industrial bourgeoisie — stated:

"All these ideas, of course, are familiar enough to historians today, thanks to the writings of Weber, Tawney and others. They have become almost commonplace. But they originally go back to Marx and Engels, and to no one else."
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So the pope is dead. [Apr. 4th, 2005|02:54 pm]
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pravdavitezi
High five!
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(no subject) [Sep. 11th, 2004|10:29 pm]
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biggd
"I know you don't believe in God but he works in mysterious ways."

I am so SICK of being patronized by all these whack jobs around me. If you actually use any kind of mental discrimination rather then believing in abstract terms like 'karma' and 'god works in mysterious ways' then YOU are supposedly mentally deficient.

Sorry. I know this is not in any way new to anyone here, but I am sick of listening to this. I'm nothing but a science project to these deranged fools. Well not really a science project as they think science is evil but you get the idea.
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random question [Aug. 27th, 2004|05:43 pm]
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ruxpinrumble
This is just a random question I wanted to present, and is not meant to be insulting or a challenge or anything, I'm just genuinely curious...

Many members here have clearly stated they're stance of anti-religion and anti-mysticism, to the point of being militant (which is commendable) but leads to the idea that having any sort of religious or mysticism within their lives is something they just wouldn't allow, so my question is, is there any mystic/religious influence in your lives? Because then... wouldn't that mean you would ban certain films, art and literature as well?

What about the "suggestion" of a mystical/religious ideal, such as the messianic figure that can be found in so much of the arts, or any sort of religious undertones of art? Hell, that means you would refuse to read Lord of the Flies or watch... The Matrix(these are examples of artistic pieces that have messianic undertones), or any number of films, books and other art pieces as well, correct?

Again, I'm not doing this to pick a fight, or to call anyone a hypocrite... I'm just curious to see how strong some people's convictions are....
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Read this... it's good shit. [Aug. 27th, 2004|12:10 am]
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xmarx
Religious conviction and religious doctrine have contradictory effects in today's world. Some people are motivated by their religious beliefs to challenge oppressive social systems and oppressive relations in the world. At the same time, organized religion and much of religious doctrine is used to reinforce the oppression of the masses of people, to preach submission before the established authorities and their oppressive rule: As Lenin said, every reactionary order is in need of two functions, the hangman and the priest, and they go hand in hand and complement each other.

So what stand should we take toward religion and religious believers of various kinds? We must seek unity, on whatever levels unity can be built, with all those whose religious conviction moves them to take a stand with the oppressed against the oppressors. On the other hand, we must firmly oppose those whose religious conviction moves them to side with the oppressors and act as apologists and enforcers of the reactionary order and its crimes. And we must reject religious doctrine--all religious doctrine--as such, for the basic reason that it is untrue. That is, we must reject its claim to be divinely revealed truth, for there is no such thing. Further, it is necessary and crucial to wage an ideological struggle, in many different forms, against religious ideas and notions, because these ideas and notions will keep us from going as far as we need to go--to the complete liberation of the masses of people, and ultimately humanity itself, all over the world.


http://rwor.org/chair_e.htm#excerpts
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(no subject) [Aug. 15th, 2004|01:06 pm]
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xmarx
"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy."

-James Madison
(Yes the founding father James Madison)

He might have been a bourgeoise revolutionary, but he helped take that step out of feudalism and toward the left. Plus, he pretty much nailed the topic of god/religion/christianity etc.

Alot of you might be surprised to know that most of the founding fathers were atheist or diest and detested christianity.

America was not founded as a christian nation.

Pretty cool huh.
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(no subject) [Aug. 12th, 2004|10:05 am]
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xmarx
http://stillhereclothing.net


Go here and check out these T shirts.

God Free

Christianity Is Dumb

and

Think Dont Pray
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New to the league [Jul. 5th, 2004|01:31 am]
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landlords2dust
[mood |tiredtired]
[music |silence]

I'm happy to be among your ranks. I checked out some posts, and you mostly seem vey intelligent and serious about ending religion, spirituality, mysticism, etc. I take a pro-working class stance, as a class struggle militant, that these metaphysical apparitions are opiates, pacifiers, etc. that draw attention away from material conditions of our class. This in turn contributes tto the stamping out of the self-realization of class contradictions. The history of religion and its spectacle continues to alienate workers from being conciousness of our material and social struggles.
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(no subject) [Jun. 11th, 2004|12:02 am]
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sapatasboas
This is why South Texas sucks.
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